Gentlemen Moderators, Ladies and Gentlemen:

     The first thing I want to notice about my opponent's speech, he introduced this kind of argument: He goes outside of the Bible to make ladies blush. But I want to give him a little bit of taste of what is in the Bible. I wonder why he ignored that. I want to read to you some Scripture found in Isaiah xiii. 13 to l8: "Therefore I will shake the heavens and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of His fierce anger. And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee everyone into his own land. Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and everyone that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their house shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces, and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children. "Now, I want to say here, my friends, here is his case that he has been hunting on the outside which is on the inside. God said that He will stir him up to do it. My brethren, I am not here to tell you today as to just why God does it, but I am here to tell you that He does it. Are you going to say that Isaiah didn't know what he was talking about? I say that there is not a single case that he can bring up on the outside but what I can show him a dozen on the inside. They shall dash them to pieces. They shall ravish their wives. They shall not spare their children, and all those kind of things. God will stir them up to do that. Do you think it will come to pass? Not only that, but Hosea ix. 11, 12 and 13: "As for Ephriam, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception. Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them, that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also unto them when I

depart from them: Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer." God has pronounced this on Ephriam and said he shall bring forth his children unto the murderer. If you would rather charge the consequences than to take the Scripture and grapple with that and prove that God did not do these things, that the Scriptures positively declared as they do, then, it is all right. That is why I asked my moderator to let you alone.

     Hosea xiii. 14, 15 and 16: "1 will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: 0 death, I will be thy plagues; 0 grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the Lord shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all his pleasant vessels. Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and the women with child shall be ripped up." Unfortunately, you have not been able to find a case on the outside just like that. Tell us whether or not that God meant it when He said that it shall come to pass, and He spoke before it did come to pass. In these Scriptures that I have given are 33 nations under consideration, and I want to say, brethren and sisters, that when it comes to this discussion, it is not my business to undertake to make my brother accept all of my terms. It is my business to show him that God said these very things that he bas been making a play on here that God had nothing to do with them; that God did not know anything about it. God is plumb ignorant and when He found it out He sat down by the side of the road and mourned because he couldn't help it. Is that your conception of God?

     Now, I say that his question concerning-but first, 1 will answer relative to those that he answered. He answered them with a wink and with a nod. To about two in the first four he said yes, and to some he said no; and that was a great explanation to all of those questions. I want to tell you this: He evaded those questions for nearly a day and a half. He evaded those questions. I am not going to evade one moment. I am going to answer them.

     Do you do everything you do because you cannot help it?" I say that if a man's ways are of the Lord, and the Scriptures positively declare that they are, I say right here that if it were not for my mortal sustenance I would not ever do anything else in this world; but any time that you or I, my brethren, ever sin or bear false witness, or ever do anything wrong, we are doing it because of the fact of sin and wickedness in us. It is not according to any commandment in the Scriptures, as far as our duty to do it. Solomon said, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter. It is the whole duty of man to fear God and keep his commandments." I will refer to his little diagram on the board here. You know, he was kindly limited in learning from some of his kinfolk, but he is a bright pupil, as I told you about. I would like to ask him who the devil belonged to. Job xii. 12 and 16: "Both the deceived and the deceiver are mine." That is the word of God. The devil belongs to God and He either put him there or allowed him to come into the garden of Eden because He had a purpose for him being there, or else he got there accidentally. If you take the position that he got in there accidentally, and you have steered clear of it-you haven't said a word about that old chap that would commit you as to where you thought he came from. No, sir. If he is an eternal devil, if he were here before God, and if he does not consist of God, then, some of the Scriptures I gave you this morning are not the truth, which you failed to notice. .

     I say, my friends, that if God had designed not to let Eve be deceived, I believe He could have controlled him perfectly well. I believe it was in His plan that the devil was made in such manner that he wanted to deceive. He always does. That is why he is slipping up behind your ear every day and telling you something that sounds flowery to you and sounds the same way to me.

Did you say that no event comes to pass without a cause? You know that nothing happens without a cause. There can be nothing that comes to pass without a cause. Let me give him the cause I have contended for all the way through in this sin and wickedness. The cause is in the heart of the wicked. The cause is in the heart of the deceived and the deceiver. .

     Is God the cause of events? Well, certainly he wouldn't say there had ever been an event if it had not been for God. Would you? If God is not the cause of events, who is the cause? That is your question to answer. I have told you repeatedly that in that sense God is the first cause of all causes. There wouldn't have been a cause here if it had not been for Him, and you cannot deny it, either.

     Did God determine all events? He said so. Look at the Scriptures I gave you in that last speech awhile ago. Is determination causative? Not necessarily, within itself. You might determine how to go to town if you were a paralytic and someone didn't carry you, but you couldn't go, could you? No, sir.

     Beginning at the tenth verse of the third chapter of Ecclesiastes: "I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it. He hath made everything beautiful in his time: also He hath set the world in their hearts, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end." "He hath made everything beautiful in this time"-everything. That includes your little picture of the garden and the devil, and God and the rapist, and everything, whenever it comes to pass, the purpose that God designed that we all work around to. "He made it beautiful in his time." I didn't say that. God said so. "I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and do good in his life. And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God. I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before Him." "Whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever." Job xxiii. 13: "But He is in one mind, and who can turn Him? and what His soul desireth, even that He doeth." I say, my friends, that I believe my opponent sees this thing in a different light from what he is letting on right here. I believe he knows that I am not ignoring the fact that sinfulness and wickedness is not authorized, according to the commandments of God written in these Scriptures. And yet, they crucified Jesus. They cast lots for His garments and ordered His raiment parted, that the Scriptures might be fulfilled. That is what it says.

     Now, this is Ecclesiastes iii. 15: “That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past." "That which hath been is now." With God there is no time measurement. The same is present with Him and ever present. That is why, my, friends, this doctrine that my brother doesn't understand-and I sympathize with him-this doctrine of predestination is so vividly plain to me that there is nothing new or old with Him. I have already read that to you. "That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past."

     Ecclesiastes viii. 6 to 14: "Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man is great upon him. Far he knoweth not that which shall be: for who can tell him when it shall be?" That doesn't say it shall not be, because he doesn't know it, does it? But it implies it shall be. "For he knoweth not that which shall be: far who can tell him when it shall be?” Now, Ecclesiastes viii. 14: "There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there be just men, unto when it happeneth according to the work of the wicked; again, there be wicked men, to whom it happeneth according to the work of the righteous: I said that this also is vanity." I want to read verses II, 12, and 13: "Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before Him: But it shall not be well with the wicked; neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow, because he feareth not before God."

     I say that here instead of God authorizing, and instead of God encouraging people to sin, as he would have you believe that I believe, He has written every law, He has written every commandment.

     I now want to notice a little bit of what he said concerning events. He said He did not think of man as a sinner until after he had sinned. He doesn’t know a thing in the world about it. Be was awfully surprised, just like you and me when we don’t know anything until it comes to pass. He didn't think of him as a sinner. Poor, ignorant God! Poor, ignorant, insignificant, puny, degraded beingl So surprised when man sinned, when it said in Revelation, and I have already given him that Scripture, that He stood as a Iamb as it had been slain from the foundation of the world. He cannot get out of that dilemma. I don’t care if he brings up a hundred rape cases. He cannot do it, no sir. And I want to say, my friends, that I apologize for any such language being introduced from this book, but since he brought it up, I want him to answer and tell me whether or not God bears him out in this reference which I gave him from Jeremiah. I want him to answer me whether he did or not.   

Ecclesiastes ix. 1 and 3: “For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them. All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to, him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath. This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun ,that there is one event unto all; yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead." "There is an evil in all things that are done under the sun." We are not debating on anything that is not done under the sun. "That there is one event unto all; yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart, while they live, and after that they go to the dead.”

     So, I say that I believe my worthy opponent has something to think of. He said he wanted to know who did the ugly things-who determined the ugly things. I have repeatedly told him-and it makes me think of the saying of the Saviour, "If I tell you the truth, you will believe me not, because I have told you already." I have told you that God has determined all things, and I meant all things when I said that. Yes, sir; He has determined it, but I tell you now, His determination is not the moving and procuring cause in the heart of sinners that causes them to do these things.

     So, I say, my friends, I still press the question that I don't believe God is the author of sin. I declare a non-fellowship right in this association for that doctrine, and told a man that if that was what he came for, that he had better go where he was wanted. I say, my friends, that I believe in a practice of right doing, if I know my heart. I believe it is right for a man to do right, not because there is a hell, or because there is a God, but because it is his duty to do right. Yes, sir, and I want to say, my friends, that I believe my record will, at least, be an average, if that is not saying too much. I don't claim to be anything but a sinner, saved by grace, if saved at all, and that is by the matchless grace of God; and that all that keeps a man from going into sin, just as deep as the other fellow does, is the restraining grace of God. That is all that keeps him from it. Now, I want to know something about his second cause. He said he believed in the London Confession of Faith. He said he believed the London Confession of Faith. Willyou give me your hand, my brother, that you believe in the London Confession of Faith? I want to say, beloved friends, that he knows that thing is loaded. He knows it is loaded. I give him credit for being intelligent. He knows it is loaded, and it is loaded for bear, too, but I believe he said he endorsed that, and if he does, I want to know why on earth he objects to second causes. It is clearly established in the reading that he read here yesterday. It is just as clearly established as A. B. C. on a box car.

     Now, I want to notice some more of my affirmative argument. James v. 1 to 8 (predestination, or purpose, or foreordination of the misery of rich men): "Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth eaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days." Now, why go and punish these rich men? He has told about it in the future. It is because they have not gotten their money right. They love money. ''The love of money is the root of all evil."  

     Revelation i. 19: "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter." Not which might or might not be, or dependent upon conditions, or uncertainty, or haphazards, or a little god sitting on the steps somewhere with his face hidden and he didn't know whether it would ever come to pass or not. He was to write the things that shall be hereafter. I say, my friends, that these things covered evil things and wicked things, as well as righteous and pure and holy things.

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